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Workshop: Civil Rights 2.0 and what European Governments do to fight them

November 11, 2007 - 21:57 — Alexander Finger

After some back and forth I am not registered currently (grin) so I just write it here:

I would like to see a workshop on that topic. A lot of the people who are registered are either doing it themselves or providing services allowing others do to it: Move a part of their substantial communication into the internet. Substantial in the sense of: Making up your life. It's important to you.
While there certainly is an aspect of "if it's important it has to work", which would be interesting to explore (in terms of: How to make sure it works when the power fail[s/ed], the other question is:

If the States force providers of telephony and electronic communication to retain all the relevant data, it's easy to create ex-post a communication profile. If you add the location data from the Mobile Phone providers, you have a person bare-ass naked, over the barrel.

Constitutions in Europe contain(ed) provisions to protect the civilian from a nosy state (and opressive governments). In the name of fighting crime (terrorism, sexual abuse), states now become more and more addicted to "just get the data". Probably because a good number of politicians think the internet is somehow a big telefon conference or so. Whatever. And they succeeed, because the people who stand up to protect civil rights are directly or indirectly accused of supporting horrible crimes. You don't want the police to be able to listen to the telephone? You must be in favour of the terrorists! Or do you have anything to hide?

The result is that, in the apparent name of "the good", data gets collected of everybody (who is not advert enough to shade his communications). There will be a tool.

Now imagine we have this tool. Communications are traced. Like weapons, tools are neutral. They become bad or good as they are applied. However, for databases there's the rule that "it will be abused". And mainly because of its' neutrality.

Police organizations are neutral as well. They intend to protect "the law", "the order" (and themselves, even policemen like to keep their jobs). We've seen that happening in history enough. They sing the song of the one with the paycheck.

And that's where the kink is.

Constitutions of liberal and free states have been created to ensure that "the leaders" will never again be able to become "the Führer". A key element of that is to grant people rights and push back the state who tries to cut down on those rights, to intrude peoples' privacy. And to write down religious tolerance in laws, but that's yet another topic. So, tools:

Because knowing to whom people talk, when, and where they are, is key to control the masses. If they don't agree with you.

If now tools are established, even in the faith of "fighting terrorism", these tools will survive the foreseeable limited lifetime of terrorist leaders. And then they will be "there", and they will be used.

This means that the built-in fuse against totalitarism gets silently loose, calm hands are touching it and, millimeter by millimeter, trying to unscrew it.

I would like to see, attend, a workshop with deals with this topic. I think there are people who could be invited to attend and get a good discussion going. I'd be willing to ask them to join as well.


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November 23, 2007 - 10:26 — Germain Leutwyler

IMHO, we must address these

IMHO, we must address these issues more and more widely and publicly , otherwise our freedom and civil rights will become, everywhere, as those seen in all the sci-fi movies: totally inexistent !

Many thanks to have raised this important topic,
Germain Leutwyler
Director, VEHICALL Geneva
Teletoposite: http://www.vehicall.com
Email address: gl@vehicall.com


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November 15, 2007 - 00:28 — Antonio Fontes

Interesting topic (yes, I

Interesting topic (yes, I know, I kinda might not be objective enough) , it would be great spending some time exchanging ideas about that.

I guess many people at Lift are aware about heavy government-driven censorship measures in Eastern Europe, China, USA, and so on. But what about Europe? How are European governments dealing with web2.0 services increasing use? Do they have access to that information? Do they use it? Are there incoming measures?

Another focus might be the concept of "weapon" you mentioned.
It reminded me of some "awareness programs" in which I participate. Many participants often believe they should accept the fact that data about them is being collected almost everywhere, every time for one main reason: they're honest people and honest people should not fear data collection.

An interesting trail could be discussing about what might be the realistic scenarios of "good weapons" (any heavily used online or data collecting service) being turned into "bad weapons" by the government?

- What exactly can be done with Facebook?
- What exactly can be done with GMail ?
- What can be done with the cameras running in every public place of your city ?
- What about the data we create while being online or just when walking down to the local grocery at 11pm? What can be done with it? Who might use it?

Some basic scenarios:
- neighborhood privacy issues
- medical information and health insurances
- financial situation and financial services (loans, rentals, ...)
- targeted b21 marketing (making you feel like you had a choice)
- court trials (what if the "data" says you did something wrong?)
- employment (what did they know about you? why did they refuse you?)
- countermeasures : how to leave proofs of "honesty" behind you, who will protect you (people? data?)

Okay, word count limit reached.


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November 11, 2007 - 22:43 — Laurent Haug

Lead such a workshop, very

Lead such a workshop, very interesting topic! Propose it here. And don't forget to use your discount code next time so I won't have to unregister you and have you register again ;)


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November 12, 2007 - 17:12 — Alexander Finger

Discount, no

Discount, no discount..

..that was not the question! Just a nice side effect and thanks very much for your support :-)


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